Interview: Elaheh Esmaili & Hossein Behboudi Rad
NOTE: This article contains references to child abuse and sexual assault. It has been condensed and translated from the original Farsi. Partners in life and filmmaking, Elaheh Esmaili and Hossein Behboudi Rad have garnered acclaim in the international film festival circuit in recent years for their searingly intimate and humanistic short documentaries about issues affecting ordinary people in Iran today. The Doll and Can I Hug You?, both directed by Esmaili and produced by Behaboudi Rad, screened at the Philadelphia Asian American Film Festival in 2022 and 2024 respectively, the former winning our Best Documentary Short award that year. Aside from being heaped with many more awards and accolades, all three of their collaborations share something conspicuous in common. The Doll featured as its subjects members of Hossein’s own extended family, while Can I Hug You? put Hossein himself in the spotlight as he confronted childhood trauma. Their latest effort, A Move, depicts inter-generational conflict in Iran through the lens of Elaheh’s relationship with her family. All three films share a vulnerability rarely seen in the medium, which has evidently resonated with audiences around the world. Last month, I spoke with them about their partnership, process, and more… Hossein Behboudi Rad: The trophy that we received, when we won the (Best Documentary Short) award at your festival– we’ve won lots of awards but that was the first trophy we ever got. Elaheh Esmaili: I’m looking at it right now. At that time, none of the festivals were sending us trophies, so yours was our first one, the first physical award. And we said, finally, we have something to prove we’re real filmmakers. Arzhang Zafar: I didn’t know that! HBR: It made your festival very special for us. EE: Whenever my mom asks me what I’m doing, what being a filmmaker means, I just show her the trophy. AZ: So… When did you start making films? EE: In 2015 I was accepted into the University of Art in Tehran, where I got my Bachelor’s in film. My first film, The Doll, was actually my thesis film in this program. Afterwards I got my Master’s in directing, and I’ve been making films since. AZ: How early did you know you wanted to be a filmmaker? EE: There’s an institution in Iran called Kanoon, the Institute for Intellectual Development of Children and Young Adults. It’s the only institution that’s specifically for kids and teenagers, for developing your artistic and “soft” skills. I started attending at eight years old, and I took part in all of the art classes they offered, to figure out what I was interested in. I started working in theatre there, and we would put on puppet shows, which I loved, but when I went to high school I focused on maths and engineering. Eventually I realized I hated engineering, and because I had already experienced something different at Kanoon, I knew what I wanted to do at university. So when I was twenty-one or twenty-two years old I decided to go to art school. When I was twenty-four I began studying film. HBR: There was only one film school in Iran, and they would accept very few students. Elaheh needed to be within the top 50 applicants, and she studied so hard that she ended up getting the highest score. We were proud of her, but we didn’t know what she was going to do with a film degree. AZ: And yourself? HBR: In high school I was involved with theatre, and I enjoyed it. I had some interest and wanted to study art but I never thought very seriously about it, because I didn’t think my family would encourage me to pursue a career in the arts. Especially in a patriarchal society like Iran, it’s so hard if you do not have a “proper” job as a man. Then, when Elaheh began making films, I wanted to help. There wasn’t a lot of public funding available, so I thought I could help with that. Eventually it got to a point where I realized I was actually producing these films! AZ: What made you interested in documentary filmmaking specifically? HBR: I remember the first time I went to an international film festival, it was a documentary festival in Amsterdam. At the time I wasn’t particularly interested in documentaries, but Elaheh encouraged me to watch some films. I made sure to see all of the films that were from Iran and Afghanistan and Arab countries. I watched a film about Afghan children living in Iran. I grew up in Qom, and I went to school with kids from a lot of different backgrounds, including many from Afghanistan. There was a lot of prejudice toward these kids, and they were often bullied. When I saw this film, which was dealing with that very subject, I felt like it was speaking directly to me. It reminded me of so many experiences from my own life, and it struck me that it was possible to make a truly personal film in this way, to really intimately connect with an audience. When Elaheh was starting to develop her thesis film, we decided it should be a documentary focused on the child marriage of my cousin Asal. EE: What matters to me is the story. If I’m looking to make a film, the form it takes will really depend on the story. Some stories suit a documentary, others suit a narrative. This is how I think about stories, and during the years I was in film school I tried to learn both skill sets as well as I could so that I would always have the option of telling a story either as a documentary or a narrative. AZ: But the idea always comes first. EE: Yes. From the moment the idea comes to me I’m thinking about whether I see it as a narrative or a documentary. HBR: Something that documentaries have that set them apart from fiction films is that there are certain
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